Spirituality is a journey, not a destination, something that those of us on the pagan path are usually supposed to embrace – and with it, the understanding that part of that journey may involve a conversion, may involve more than one conversion and sometimes floats unanchored but for your own ability to interact with the divine.

It’s a shame other Pagans feel abandoned by you, and also feel like any form of Christianity is our great adversary. It doesn’t have to be like that, and I’m sorry you are now cast in the adversarial position.

I started off as a very devout and sincere Christian and I am an equally devout and sincere Wiccan, and I may not be Wiccan forever, but I will remain devout and sincere.

You shouldn’t have to apologize for being true to your faith and to your heart, ever.

Thanks, Diana. I am blessed by many good Pagan friends who accept me pretty much unconditionally, Catholic warts and all. Likewise, I have many good Christian friends (both Catholic and non-Catholic) who appreciate my history as a former Pagan and who recognize that my “conversion” wasn’t about repudiating Paganism so much as simply moving on because it was time to do so. In our postmodern world, it’s wonderful how many kaleidoscopic permutations of religious and wisdom traditions one can find: I know Sufi Episcopalians, Vedanta Catholics, Christopagans, shamanic Protestants, Taoist Witches… the list goes on and on. Those are the folks I find are a lot of fun to hang out with!

What always strikes me about these types of critiques is that people seem to confuse their problem with the religion as a problem with the individual. If someone doesn’t believe that Catholicism is the right religion for them or even has some fundamental issues with the way the religion works overall, I think that is fine. When someone thinks that the individual Catholic is the problem, I think that is not only “not right” but very much *against* the idea of most religions to love and understand one another. Even for many pagans, the idea is “Harm None”. Don’t they think that publishing these kinds of potentially hurtful words might be crossing that line? Pagans argue that many Christian groups don’t follow thier own teachings to love everyone like their neighbor, but shouldn’t everyone who feels that way try to set the better example than just giving into the hatefulness.

I have said a million times…I cannot hate another person for their personal spiritual choices. The second I start doing that, I go against everything that I have ever wanted for myself. I just want people to accept me and my spiritual choices as legitimate (they don’t have to agree with me in any way). I feel I owe at least that to ever other living being on this planet.

Preach it, sister!

I so enjoy this blog – even the comments are articulate! That’s it. I’ve nothing to add. Just wanted to express my appreciation instead of just lurking.

Just to clear up a few things. Firstly, the quote from the private site was originally accompanied by emoticons (smilies) which are not available on the blogging site where I posted, which may have rendered its meaning harsher than originally intended (it was somewhat tongue in cheek). Secondly, I have no issue with your personally, or your faith; I merely used your article and blog as an illustration of the issue on which I am at a loss to understand.

I was raised Catholic, but rejected it at a very young age and never considered myself a Christian. My family are Catholic and, in searching for my own place in religious traditions, I met and maintain friends of many faiths, from atheists to Zen Buddhists to Jehovah’s Witness, and I often have enlightening philosophical discussions with all. At no point would I criticise another’s faith, as I am a hard polytheist with an interest in the sciences.

I agree with Laura:

“Spirituality is a journey, not a destination, something that those of us on the pagan path are usually supposed to embrace. ”

Along my personal spiritual journey (which is ongoing), I noted down my own thoughts and ideas and then spent many years seeking a religion, tradition or philosophy to match. At no point did I label myself as anything in particular whilst on that journey. Finally, I found small pockets of people who held similar beliefs and they fell under the umbrella term of pagan, but it would be several more years before I felt I could consider myself a pagan. You see, I had to be sure it was a perfect fit before I felt I was a convert, for want of a better term.

My confusion lies in the statements made by those (including yourself, Mr McColman) converting away from paganism that they “outgrew” it, as though it was a fad or childish pursuit. I used your article because it had been referred to in several blogs and illustrated the kind of thoughts that further muddied the waters for me. At no point did I say your choice was “wrong”, just that I didn’t understand (let alone agree with) your reasoning. Though, your reworking of the diet analogy does make a little more sense to me.

Oh, and “harm none” is a Wicca or neo-wicca tenet; nothing to do with pagans outside of those traditions.

Kind regards,
AC

Thanks for popping in for a visit, AC. Hope you’ll come back and visit from time to time.

First of all, forgive me for any hint of defensiveness or snarkiness in what I’ve written, either here or at your blog. As the above post probably makes clear, I’ve been tending with criticism for years now — not always well-meaning or friendly criticism! — and it does get a wee bit old after a while.

I can only answer your questions out of the fires of my own experience. The “growth” metaphor really comes from my sense that we never stop growing and evolving. It’s not so much that Paganism is childish, but that (hopefully) I’m more mature now than I was a decade ago. I think an effective religion or wisdom tradition will challenge and support people at any stage of intellectual, moral, spiritual, or psychological development. I certainly think my movement from Paganism to Catholicism corresponded with a “growth spurt” in my own consciousness, but that’s not meant to denigrate Paganism nor to suggest that Catholicism is somehow “better” or “more evolved” than Paganism. I think I am more evolved as a Catholic than I was as a Pagan. But I suppose the argument can be made that it was the growth and work I did as a Pagan that prepared me to be the Catholic I am today.

You’re right about “Harm none,” but I personally have a hard time understanding non-Wiccan Pagans who make a big deal out of rejecting it — for the simple reason that, on its own terms, the so-called Wiccan Rede is such a powerful and sensible ethical precept; one that, I believe, transcends its Wiccan origin. It’s pretty universal: echoes of it can be found in Buddhism and secular humanism, and it ties right in with Augustine’s “Love and do what you will.” I’ve never figured out why non-Wiccan Pagans are so quick to distance themselves from the Rede; I’ve never encountered a persuasive argument about why it makes ethical sense to reject the Rede. Perhaps you can shed some light on that one for me? At any rate, the Rede was certainly my guiding ethical light as a Pagan, so that’s why I invoke it so much in my writing, rightly or wrongly.

When I became a Catholic, one of my best friends in the Pagan community told me that he thought I was making the right choice, because I was (in his words) a “bad Pagan.” What he meant by that was that I was always struggling with ideas and values that many/perhaps most Pagans just simply seemed to accept. I think this ties in with the question you raised about Paganism as a “perfect fit.” Biern-ie suggests that some people who leave Paganism do so because their commitment to the path was shallow to begin with. I can see where some people could draw that conclusion about me, but I think (at least in my case) that would be an over-simplification of my experience as a Pagan. It’s not that I never was committed to being a Pagan, but rather that I was just plain not cut out for it, as much as I was drawn to it and tried to make it “work.” I think the analogy here is this: I was like a gay person trying like hell to be straight. No matter how much I was attracted to, and committed to, being Pagan, I just didn’t have the “spiritual DNA” for it. I think it’s a shame that straight people attack gay people for being gay; and particularly poignant if a gay person tries to be straight and then realizes that’s not who he is. Back to the growth issue: his process of self-acceptance would naturally be a growth process, and so he would “grow out of” trying to be straight and then re-embrace being gay. But that growth process is not a judgment call on either the gay or straight world.

I know this raises ontological questions and one might conclude from what I’ve just said that I was never “really” a Pagan, ontologically speaking. But if I wasn’t one ontologically, I certainly was phenomenologically! For years the magic “worked,” I performed or participated in powerful rituals, I had amazing experiences of the gods present in my life. But in the end, it wasn’t sustainable. I don’t think that’s anybody’s fault. And I’m not sure that, at this stage of the game, trying to figure out what went “wrong” is useful, for anybody. It’s not about flaws in my logic or defects in Paganism or the powerful magic in Christianity that keeps people in its thrall (yes, I’ve heard that one…). It just is what it is. I’m very much a postmodernist with a postmodern understanding of truth, and the social construction of reality, and the sheer suchness of things. My relationship with both Christianity and Paganism has to be understood in that light. Postmodern approaches to spirituality are on the march in the church, what in the Christian community is now being called “the emergent conversation,” — and, for me at least, it’s something far more exciting and adventurous than anything I ever found in the Pagan world. I think Paganism would benefit from its own postmodern revolution, but that might be trickier, since in many ways Paganism already is a postmodern religion, only it’s so caught up in trying to be a pre-modern one! Again, I don’t mean to judge or criticize, I’m just calling it like I see it.

Carl,

Thanks for sharing some of your story. You are not the typical convert to RC. I just read a couple of your books,that were written about ten years ago. Useful material for all types of people. How do you understand Catholicism’s call for evangelization? It would seem you would have a hard time with that.

I converted from RC to Protestantism, now in the middle not really at home with either.
Bob

Fundamentalism is on the march within the Catholic world, and it is as worrisome here as anywhere. I think it’s human nature to want to tell our story, and to the extent that evangelization is all about people connecting and sharing their stories, I’m all for it. But I think in order for that to work, it must be borne out of a place of vulnerable and genuine dialogue — something that I fear that fundamentalists (of any stripe) have little interest in.

Bob, have you read Brian McLaren’s A Generous Orthodoxy or Jon Sweeney’s Almost Catholic? Those books might provide some interesting reflection as you try to discern what it means to be “in the middle not really at home with either.” You sound like an emergent Christian to me — the writings of Phyllis Tickle, Peter Rollins and Marcus Borg might interest you as well.

I left Wicca last March, and was really helped along by Carl and his willingness to share his experience.

In a couple of weeks, my daughter will be confirmed in our Anglican parish. I will stand with her to renew my baptismal vows (I was raised in church).

I took my wife and child to church to help them follow their Christian path, with the intent of continuing in my 7-year Wiccan practice while supporting them. Life had different plans for me, and I am happy where I am.