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	<description>Carl McColman ~ The Fullness of Joy is to Behold God in All</description>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, and I would point to another:

&quot;I was asked: &#039;Since some people keep themselves much apart from others, and most of all like to be alone, and since it is in this and in being in church that they find peace, would that be the best thing to do?&#039; Then I said, &#039; No! and see why not!&#039; If all is well with a man, then truly, wherever he may be, whomever he may be with, it is well with him. But if things are not right with him, then everywhere and with everybody it is all wrong with him. If it is well with him, truly he has God with him. But whoever really and truly has God, he has him everywhere, in the street and in company with everyone, just as much as in church or in solitary places or in his cell. ... That man carries God in his every work and in every place, and it is God alone who performs all the man&#039;s works, for whoever causes the work, to him it belongs more properly and truly than it does to the one who performs it. ...&quot;
Meister Eckhart,  Counsels on Discernment

This, I would suggest, points to what makes our being-in-community truly Christian, namely, centered in Christ--reflecting the life of God. May God help each of us toward this end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, and I would point to another:</p>
<p>&#8220;I was asked: &#8216;Since some people keep themselves much apart from others, and most of all like to be alone, and since it is in this and in being in church that they find peace, would that be the best thing to do?&#8217; Then I said, &#8216; No! and see why not!&#8217; If all is well with a man, then truly, wherever he may be, whomever he may be with, it is well with him. But if things are not right with him, then everywhere and with everybody it is all wrong with him. If it is well with him, truly he has God with him. But whoever really and truly has God, he has him everywhere, in the street and in company with everyone, just as much as in church or in solitary places or in his cell. &#8230; That man carries God in his every work and in every place, and it is God alone who performs all the man&#8217;s works, for whoever causes the work, to him it belongs more properly and truly than it does to the one who performs it. &#8230;&#8221;<br />
Meister Eckhart,  Counsels on Discernment</p>
<p>This, I would suggest, points to what makes our being-in-community truly Christian, namely, centered in Christ&#8211;reflecting the life of God. May God help each of us toward this end.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl McColman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl McColman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ali. Since I&#039;m writing primarily about Christian mysticism, naturally that colors what I&#039;m saying, but I agree with you that community need not be Christian or even religious to be a tool for personal growth and/or growth in holiness/mindfulness. I think for those who lack the privilege of an accessible faith community, the best bet is to approach all relationships as potential arenas for spiritual insight and transformation. And there&#039;s a lot to be said for community building in one&#039;s own neighborhood. That&#039;s actually quite Benedictine — St. Benedict was all about stability and being anchored in a particular place. Your insight about work is important as well. I work at a monastery, so for me the lines between work and faith community are unusually blurry. But for those who do not work in the context of their faith community, I believe finding some way to integrate the values and wisdom of their tradition (without being annoying to others!) is essential. We need to challenge the idea that faith should only be relevant to a segmented part of life (i.e., Sunday mornings, the eight solar festivals, etc.). If our wisdom tradition isn&#039;t going to shape and form us 24/7, then why do we adhere to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ali. Since I&#8217;m writing primarily about Christian mysticism, naturally that colors what I&#8217;m saying, but I agree with you that community need not be Christian or even religious to be a tool for personal growth and/or growth in holiness/mindfulness. I think for those who lack the privilege of an accessible faith community, the best bet is to approach all relationships as potential arenas for spiritual insight and transformation. And there&#8217;s a lot to be said for community building in one&#8217;s own neighborhood. That&#8217;s actually quite Benedictine — St. Benedict was all about stability and being anchored in a particular place. Your insight about work is important as well. I work at a monastery, so for me the lines between work and faith community are unusually blurry. But for those who do not work in the context of their faith community, I believe finding some way to integrate the values and wisdom of their tradition (without being annoying to others!) is essential. We need to challenge the idea that faith should only be relevant to a segmented part of life (i.e., Sunday mornings, the eight solar festivals, etc.). If our wisdom tradition isn&#8217;t going to shape and form us 24/7, then why do we adhere to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some really important ideas in this post, and many of these points I would say are not exclusively Christian, either. My take on Druidry, for instance, puts relationship (and therefore, community) at the very center of its worldview. Balance, flux, evolution, harmony, justice, art, beauty, all of these only truly have meaning in community. Community must be the context in which individuals all work and live and move with each other in ways that sustain and benefit the whole, forming a kind of &quot;ecology&quot; of spiritual living in which community and individual both thrive and neither is subservient or subsumed in the other.

Your post leaves me wondering, though, whether community must be &lt;i&gt;religious&lt;/i&gt; in order for this relationship to be most meaningful. You point out myriad options for Christians seeking community, and of course there are many of these in most areas, but your examples are all religious, and more specifically Christian, in nature. I&#039;d be interested in hearing your take on the role that these overtly religious communities play more specifically, and how they might differ from, say, the community of your local neighborhood, or your workplace, etc. For most Christians, I imagine their church communities overlap a great deal with such other kinds of local community, but those of minority religions (such as myself) might have to travel hours to the nearest gathering of fellow practitioners. It seems to me that, while in-person relationship with those of the same religion is very important, the immediate local community of your daily life must hold a prominent place. I practice my Druidry much more often through the ethics and attitudes I embody in the workplace, than on those rare occasions when I have the chance to perform overtly religious ritual with other Druids. And surely, the Christian doesn&#039;t reserve her service for those of her faith alone, or only wash the feet of those who attend the same Bible study as she does! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some really important ideas in this post, and many of these points I would say are not exclusively Christian, either. My take on Druidry, for instance, puts relationship (and therefore, community) at the very center of its worldview. Balance, flux, evolution, harmony, justice, art, beauty, all of these only truly have meaning in community. Community must be the context in which individuals all work and live and move with each other in ways that sustain and benefit the whole, forming a kind of &#8220;ecology&#8221; of spiritual living in which community and individual both thrive and neither is subservient or subsumed in the other.</p>
<p>Your post leaves me wondering, though, whether community must be <i>religious</i> in order for this relationship to be most meaningful. You point out myriad options for Christians seeking community, and of course there are many of these in most areas, but your examples are all religious, and more specifically Christian, in nature. I&#8217;d be interested in hearing your take on the role that these overtly religious communities play more specifically, and how they might differ from, say, the community of your local neighborhood, or your workplace, etc. For most Christians, I imagine their church communities overlap a great deal with such other kinds of local community, but those of minority religions (such as myself) might have to travel hours to the nearest gathering of fellow practitioners. It seems to me that, while in-person relationship with those of the same religion is very important, the immediate local community of your daily life must hold a prominent place. I practice my Druidry much more often through the ethics and attitudes I embody in the workplace, than on those rare occasions when I have the chance to perform overtly religious ritual with other Druids. And surely, the Christian doesn&#8217;t reserve her service for those of her faith alone, or only wash the feet of those who attend the same Bible study as she does! <img src='http://www.anamchara.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Green Monk</title>
		<link>http://www.anamchara.com/2009/11/17/community/#comment-5127</link>
		<dc:creator>Green Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, 
I think you hit on something very vital and uncomfortable for many people.  Whether it is Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, or Buddhism, community is an essential part.  Lone Ranger spirituality is not the norm in those traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,<br />
I think you hit on something very vital and uncomfortable for many people.  Whether it is Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, or Buddhism, community is an essential part.  Lone Ranger spirituality is not the norm in those traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Fulbright</title>
		<link>http://www.anamchara.com/2009/11/17/community/#comment-5126</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Fulbright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl,

You are right.  While Community appears to be antithetical to Mysicism, the two are inexorably entertwined.  As much as I like a simply said and intimate mass, I admit that I get impatient at the more elaborate masses that seem ponderous, with the somtimes lame and often repeated sermons.  Some sermons actually energize me, some services are consistent, others are all over the place.

I know I can count on my own stillness to be the gateway to my relationship to the Holy Trinity.

I still believe we need community because none of us holds all the pieces of the Christian spirituality.   We each of us pray for those and hold those up who do not hold our piece, and vice versa.

We have to realize that surrender also means being willing to depend on others, trust that the greater community actually binds us and makes us holy, as you said.

This is a point with which I have struggled in my studies and mystical understandings and practice.  In the end a true mystic is humble, willing to surrender to the lower self,  and can still participate and contribute to the community.  Padre Pio comes to mind.  What a great example to illustrate this point!

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,</p>
<p>You are right.  While Community appears to be antithetical to Mysicism, the two are inexorably entertwined.  As much as I like a simply said and intimate mass, I admit that I get impatient at the more elaborate masses that seem ponderous, with the somtimes lame and often repeated sermons.  Some sermons actually energize me, some services are consistent, others are all over the place.</p>
<p>I know I can count on my own stillness to be the gateway to my relationship to the Holy Trinity.</p>
<p>I still believe we need community because none of us holds all the pieces of the Christian spirituality.   We each of us pray for those and hold those up who do not hold our piece, and vice versa.</p>
<p>We have to realize that surrender also means being willing to depend on others, trust that the greater community actually binds us and makes us holy, as you said.</p>
<p>This is a point with which I have struggled in my studies and mystical understandings and practice.  In the end a true mystic is humble, willing to surrender to the lower self,  and can still participate and contribute to the community.  Padre Pio comes to mind.  What a great example to illustrate this point!</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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