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	<description>Carl McColman ~ The Fullness of Joy is to Behold God in All</description>
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		<title>By: jodiq</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 01:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, thanks for the post!!  This is long overdue to  hear...and so many need to hear it!  Bless you, McColman, bless you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, thanks for the post!!  This is long overdue to  hear&#8230;and so many need to hear it!  Bless you, McColman, bless you!</p>
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		<title>By: barefootmeg</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though Introverts in the Church is definitely more in-depth, you may also appreciate the book Soul Types by Sandra Krebs Hirsh and Jane Kise.  (I&#039;ve written a review here, if you&#039;re interested: http://barefootmeg.multiply.com/reviews/item/31 ).  I think what I found particularly interesting about the book was that the ways that I spent my time during &quot;quiet times&quot; fit right in with my personality type (INTJ) even thought I&#039;d never realized that my personality type might affect the way that I interact with God.  And when I got to my husband&#039;s personality type, it also really closely matched his preferences as well. Just because I prefer one means of worship and my husband prefers another, neither is &quot;right&quot; or &quot;wrong.&quot; They&#039;re clearly preferences and there&#039;s value in appreciating and even in learning to try out other people&#039;s preferred styles. 

Another &quot;intersection of personality and spirituality&quot; book is What Is Your Church&#039;s Personality?, by Philip Douglass. http://www.amazon.com/What-Your-Churchs-Personality-Discovering/dp/1596380225 (I&#039;ve read it but not reviewed it.) 

whew! sorry about being so tangential, but one of your opening sentences, &quot;At the risk of hyperbole, this one book has given me tools to rethink numerous passages in my troubled relationship with institutional religion.&quot; got me to thinking that you might appreciate these other books as well.  :-}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though Introverts in the Church is definitely more in-depth, you may also appreciate the book Soul Types by Sandra Krebs Hirsh and Jane Kise.  (I&#8217;ve written a review here, if you&#8217;re interested: <a href="http://barefootmeg.multiply.com/reviews/item/31" rel="nofollow">http://barefootmeg.multiply.com/reviews/item/31</a> ).  I think what I found particularly interesting about the book was that the ways that I spent my time during &#8220;quiet times&#8221; fit right in with my personality type (INTJ) even thought I&#8217;d never realized that my personality type might affect the way that I interact with God.  And when I got to my husband&#8217;s personality type, it also really closely matched his preferences as well. Just because I prefer one means of worship and my husband prefers another, neither is &#8220;right&#8221; or &#8220;wrong.&#8221; They&#8217;re clearly preferences and there&#8217;s value in appreciating and even in learning to try out other people&#8217;s preferred styles. </p>
<p>Another &#8220;intersection of personality and spirituality&#8221; book is What Is Your Church&#8217;s Personality?, by Philip Douglass. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/What-Your-Churchs-Personality-Discovering/dp/1596380225" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/What-Your-Churchs-Personality-Discovering/dp/1596380225</a> (I&#8217;ve read it but not reviewed it.) </p>
<p>whew! sorry about being so tangential, but one of your opening sentences, &#8220;At the risk of hyperbole, this one book has given me tools to rethink numerous passages in my troubled relationship with institutional religion.&#8221; got me to thinking that you might appreciate these other books as well.  :-}</p>
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		<title>By: Infinite Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infinite Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;what if extroversion is largely socially constructed .... And so is introversion a social construction&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I tend to think of introversion and extroversion as natural tendencies which, as all other personality tendencies, are somewhat of a balancing act. Noel&#039;s &quot;depends on the activity&quot; (or lack thereof) strikes a chord. Neither is problematic in and of itself unless taken to extremes, in which case both can become narcissistic pathologies. As for &quot;inner wounds inflicted by the noisy world outside&quot; us, I&#039;m slowly learning to master the art of simply not allowing it. Though I suspect the concept of &quot;free will&quot; doesn&#039;t hold water, consciousness includes a center of being the Hindus call Anahata (&quot;unstruck&quot;, &quot;unhurt&quot; or &quot;unbeaten&quot;) and, as the sayings go, &quot;home is where the heart is&quot; and &quot;home is anywhere you are&quot;.

In one of Hanh&#039;s dharma talks, which was included in the &lt;em&gt;Peace Is Every Step&lt;/em&gt; documentary, one will find this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;A human being is like a television set with millions of channels. If we turn the Buddha (or the Christ) on, we are the Buddha (or the Christ). If we turn a smile on, we really are the smile. We cannot let just one channel dominate us. We have the seed of everything in us, and we have to seize the situation in our hand, to recover our own sovereignty. When we sit down peacefully, breathing and smiling, with awareness, we are our true selves, we have sovereignty over ourselves. When we open ourselves up to a TV program, we let ourselves be invaded by the program. Sometimes it is a good program, but often it is just noisy. Because we want to have something other than ourselves enter us, we sit there and let a noisy television invade us, assail us, destroy us. Even if our nervous system suffers, we don&#039;t have the courage to stand up and turn it off, because if we do that, we will have to return to our self.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s no question in my mind that our culture encourages (and rewards) extroversion. Extroversion is, after all, associated with gregariousness (and who doesn&#039;t like &quot;friendly&quot;?) while introversion is associated with narcississm and self-involvement by the dictionary. I don&#039;t think the emphasis on extroversion is a direct result of &quot;Christianity in particular encouraging more noise than silence&quot; as much it is the superficiality of our primarily consumerist society. I was honestly beginning to think that would never change, but the tremendous upsurge of interest in spirituality, &quot;mysticism&quot;, contemplation and community is, among other things, an indication to me that we are slowly awakening from the &quot;spell&quot;, taking stock of the truly precious, and beginning to tap into our inherent potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>what if extroversion is largely socially constructed &#8230;. And so is introversion a social construction</p></blockquote>
<p>I tend to think of introversion and extroversion as natural tendencies which, as all other personality tendencies, are somewhat of a balancing act. Noel&#8217;s &#8220;depends on the activity&#8221; (or lack thereof) strikes a chord. Neither is problematic in and of itself unless taken to extremes, in which case both can become narcissistic pathologies. As for &#8220;inner wounds inflicted by the noisy world outside&#8221; us, I&#8217;m slowly learning to master the art of simply not allowing it. Though I suspect the concept of &#8220;free will&#8221; doesn&#8217;t hold water, consciousness includes a center of being the Hindus call Anahata (&#8220;unstruck&#8221;, &#8220;unhurt&#8221; or &#8220;unbeaten&#8221;) and, as the sayings go, &#8220;home is where the heart is&#8221; and &#8220;home is anywhere you are&#8221;.</p>
<p>In one of Hanh&#8217;s dharma talks, which was included in the <em>Peace Is Every Step</em> documentary, one will find this:</p>
<blockquote><p>A human being is like a television set with millions of channels. If we turn the Buddha (or the Christ) on, we are the Buddha (or the Christ). If we turn a smile on, we really are the smile. We cannot let just one channel dominate us. We have the seed of everything in us, and we have to seize the situation in our hand, to recover our own sovereignty. When we sit down peacefully, breathing and smiling, with awareness, we are our true selves, we have sovereignty over ourselves. When we open ourselves up to a TV program, we let ourselves be invaded by the program. Sometimes it is a good program, but often it is just noisy. Because we want to have something other than ourselves enter us, we sit there and let a noisy television invade us, assail us, destroy us. Even if our nervous system suffers, we don&#8217;t have the courage to stand up and turn it off, because if we do that, we will have to return to our self.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s no question in my mind that our culture encourages (and rewards) extroversion. Extroversion is, after all, associated with gregariousness (and who doesn&#8217;t like &#8220;friendly&#8221;?) while introversion is associated with narcississm and self-involvement by the dictionary. I don&#8217;t think the emphasis on extroversion is a direct result of &#8220;Christianity in particular encouraging more noise than silence&#8221; as much it is the superficiality of our primarily consumerist society. I was honestly beginning to think that would never change, but the tremendous upsurge of interest in spirituality, &#8220;mysticism&#8221;, contemplation and community is, among other things, an indication to me that we are slowly awakening from the &#8220;spell&#8221;, taking stock of the truly precious, and beginning to tap into our inherent potential.</p>
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		<title>By: dFish</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking: what if extroversion is largely socially constructed because Christianity in particular has encouraged more noise than silence? And so is introversion as a social construction because &quot;introverts&quot; are more attuned to their inner wounds inflicted by a noisy world outside them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking: what if extroversion is largely socially constructed because Christianity in particular has encouraged more noise than silence? And so is introversion as a social construction because &#8220;introverts&#8221; are more attuned to their inner wounds inflicted by a noisy world outside them?</p>
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		<title>By: noel a light bearer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>depends on the activity
spiritually introvert
self employed extrovert
etc
this looks a good read
have you read f**k it
its very good
i bought a copy for a friend in n.jersey
recommended</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>depends on the activity<br />
spiritually introvert<br />
self employed extrovert<br />
etc<br />
this looks a good read<br />
have you read f**k it<br />
its very good<br />
i bought a copy for a friend in n.jersey<br />
recommended</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being well read and well-&quot;therapied&quot;, I wondered about buying this book. However, I have been validated and challenged with the insights on introversion. As I am an introvert, it helps me to feel recognized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being well read and well-&#8221;therapied&#8221;, I wondered about buying this book. However, I have been validated and challenged with the insights on introversion. As I am an introvert, it helps me to feel recognized.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl,
Today&#039;s post struck me with two different thoughts.  I can relate wholeheartedly with the sentiments you express, being an introvert myself.  The &quot;if only I had read this...&quot; feeling is one familiar to me, yet I am also challenged to gently recognize how even my angst and struggles can be somehow a part of the immense tapestry of love and existence being woven by the Hand of Divine Mystery.  Though not one to believe God brings ill upon us, I nonetheless strive to trust that there are perhaps unseen and unknown larger purposes at work when I encounter difficulties in my own life, in those dear to me, even in those whose sufferings I only hear about or see from a distance.
My other observation is an insight as to why much of what I have read about Celtic spirituality and the flowering of Christian communities in Ireland following the missionary work of Patrick and others resonates with me. The emphasis on relationship, soul friendship, intimacy with Christ and with others (by definition, one cannot be intimate with a crowd) strikes me as being in harmony with a more introverted way of being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,<br />
Today&#8217;s post struck me with two different thoughts.  I can relate wholeheartedly with the sentiments you express, being an introvert myself.  The &#8220;if only I had read this&#8230;&#8221; feeling is one familiar to me, yet I am also challenged to gently recognize how even my angst and struggles can be somehow a part of the immense tapestry of love and existence being woven by the Hand of Divine Mystery.  Though not one to believe God brings ill upon us, I nonetheless strive to trust that there are perhaps unseen and unknown larger purposes at work when I encounter difficulties in my own life, in those dear to me, even in those whose sufferings I only hear about or see from a distance.<br />
My other observation is an insight as to why much of what I have read about Celtic spirituality and the flowering of Christian communities in Ireland following the missionary work of Patrick and others resonates with me. The emphasis on relationship, soul friendship, intimacy with Christ and with others (by definition, one cannot be intimate with a crowd) strikes me as being in harmony with a more introverted way of being.</p>
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		<title>By: Infinite Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infinite Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;to a great extent, we equate “social” with “extroverted” in our culture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh. I thought that was &#039;entirely&#039;. :) &quot;You should be more outgoing.&quot; &quot;You should talk more.&quot; &quot;You should be&quot;... pretty much anything other than you are or desire to be. One wonders how many &quot;introverts&quot; have felt a little snicker welling up when the hymnal was turned to &quot;Just as I am&quot;.

Perhaps more importantly, though, introversion is also associated with &quot;fearful&quot;, &quot;untrustworthy&quot;, &quot;calculating&quot;, and/or the more baffling &quot;possessing no social skills&quot;, which actually translates as &quot;gullible&quot;. How Freudian, but that&#039;s finally the point. We actually live in a culture in which pretty much everyone is either knowingly or unknowingly an amateur psychologist thanks primarily to its predominantly analytical character but, while introversion may not equal introspection, it is an important prerequisite for traversing what Stephen King once termed &quot;corridors lined with mirrors where people seldom look&quot;, an important task historically overlooked by the establishment of all our many &quot;disciplines&quot;, though that appears to be rapidly changing.

&lt;blockquote&gt;his ecclesial vision calls for creative partnership between extroverts and introverts&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s about time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>to a great extent, we equate “social” with “extroverted” in our culture.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh. I thought that was &#8216;entirely&#8217;. <img src='http://www.anamchara.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8220;You should be more outgoing.&#8221; &#8220;You should talk more.&#8221; &#8220;You should be&#8221;&#8230; pretty much anything other than you are or desire to be. One wonders how many &#8220;introverts&#8221; have felt a little snicker welling up when the hymnal was turned to &#8220;Just as I am&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps more importantly, though, introversion is also associated with &#8220;fearful&#8221;, &#8220;untrustworthy&#8221;, &#8220;calculating&#8221;, and/or the more baffling &#8220;possessing no social skills&#8221;, which actually translates as &#8220;gullible&#8221;. How Freudian, but that&#8217;s finally the point. We actually live in a culture in which pretty much everyone is either knowingly or unknowingly an amateur psychologist thanks primarily to its predominantly analytical character but, while introversion may not equal introspection, it is an important prerequisite for traversing what Stephen King once termed &#8220;corridors lined with mirrors where people seldom look&#8221;, an important task historically overlooked by the establishment of all our many &#8220;disciplines&#8221;, though that appears to be rapidly changing.</p>
<blockquote><p>his ecclesial vision calls for creative partnership between extroverts and introverts</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s about time.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Nicola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Nicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the middle of this book, and kept thinking of you the whole time.  This book describes me so perfectly and show&#039;s how I can use my &#039;gifts.&#039;  (I always thought I was a bad Christian because I&#039;m so bad at Bible thumping!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the middle of this book, and kept thinking of you the whole time.  This book describes me so perfectly and show&#8217;s how I can use my &#8216;gifts.&#8217;  (I always thought I was a bad Christian because I&#8217;m so bad at Bible thumping!)</p>
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