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	<description>Carl McColman ~ The Fullness of Joy is to Behold God in All</description>
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		<title>By: Jo Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ordinary

Being as it is, 
In the ordinary way of things,
You might not come across it,
Though it is as ordinary as anything
You see. It is visible in the chair you sit in, 
In the oak table you sit at, in the oak tree.
It is as necessary as water,
As solid as the ground we walk on,

And yet, in the ordinary way of things
You probably would not notice,
The way we don&#039;t notice the mailman
Unless we are waiting for a check
Or a love letter,
Or the way we don&#039;t notice ice
until we are falling,
Being, as it is. 

Jo Morris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ordinary</p>
<p>Being as it is,<br />
In the ordinary way of things,<br />
You might not come across it,<br />
Though it is as ordinary as anything<br />
You see. It is visible in the chair you sit in,<br />
In the oak table you sit at, in the oak tree.<br />
It is as necessary as water,<br />
As solid as the ground we walk on,</p>
<p>And yet, in the ordinary way of things<br />
You probably would not notice,<br />
The way we don&#8217;t notice the mailman<br />
Unless we are waiting for a check<br />
Or a love letter,<br />
Or the way we don&#8217;t notice ice<br />
until we are falling,<br />
Being, as it is. </p>
<p>Jo Morris</p>
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		<title>By: Carl McColman</title>
		<link>http://www.anamchara.com/mystics/cloud-of-unknowing/#comment-12680</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl McColman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, I&#039;m not sure if any particular author addresses the issues specifically as you have framed them, but I think the tension between mysticism-as-gift and mysticism-as-work is present among many of the great contemplative authors. For medieval voices, I&#039;d suggest looking at Augustine, but also John Ruysbroeck and Julian of Norwich; and for a more contemporary perspective, Thomas Merton. 

My sense is that we are all called to the contemplative life, but we are not all called to experience it the same way. God is the author of our spiritual experiences, whether &quot;mystical&quot; or &quot;mundane,&quot; and we are invited to trust our experience, and trust in God&#039;s wisdom in giving us what we need, which may or may not be what we want. I also think that there is no point in seeing the efforts of the contemplative life as part of a &quot;reward&quot; paradigm, since the &quot;gift&quot; (eternal life) has already been freely and lavishly given to us. We work not in order to earn grace, but in response to grace. Likewise, we do the &quot;work&quot; of contemplation not in order to earn experience of God, but rather to respond to God&#039;s gracious call to intimacy with Him. Those experiences that may or may not ensue are, again, custom-designed by God for each of us, according to our needs and calling. The part of us that wants to be in control may not like this, but as best as I can tell, this is reality so we may as well get used to it.  :-)

Cheers,
Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, I&#8217;m not sure if any particular author addresses the issues specifically as you have framed them, but I think the tension between mysticism-as-gift and mysticism-as-work is present among many of the great contemplative authors. For medieval voices, I&#8217;d suggest looking at Augustine, but also John Ruysbroeck and Julian of Norwich; and for a more contemporary perspective, Thomas Merton. </p>
<p>My sense is that we are all called to the contemplative life, but we are not all called to experience it the same way. God is the author of our spiritual experiences, whether &#8220;mystical&#8221; or &#8220;mundane,&#8221; and we are invited to trust our experience, and trust in God&#8217;s wisdom in giving us what we need, which may or may not be what we want. I also think that there is no point in seeing the efforts of the contemplative life as part of a &#8220;reward&#8221; paradigm, since the &#8220;gift&#8221; (eternal life) has already been freely and lavishly given to us. We work not in order to earn grace, but in response to grace. Likewise, we do the &#8220;work&#8221; of contemplation not in order to earn experience of God, but rather to respond to God&#8217;s gracious call to intimacy with Him. Those experiences that may or may not ensue are, again, custom-designed by God for each of us, according to our needs and calling. The part of us that wants to be in control may not like this, but as best as I can tell, this is reality so we may as well get used to it.  <img src='http://www.anamchara.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Carl</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Grafton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Grafton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Cloud of Unknowing&quot; and Rolle&#039;s &quot;The Fire of Love&quot; are the two mystic classics that I always return to.  I&#039;ve been reading them every few years since 1983.   I find they contrast and compliment, support and qualify each other.  The one aspect I struggle with is the encouragement to work very hard at the attainment of union, while knowing that it is only attainable by grace.  The Protestant worker in me wants the hard work to be rewarded, but both authors make it clear that it&#039;s all a matter of grace. Is there another Medieval author that has addressed this strange dichotomy more directly?  Is the awareness of grace more connected to Catholic tradition?  Would anyone care to grace me with there thoughts on grace?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Cloud of Unknowing&#8221; and Rolle&#8217;s &#8220;The Fire of Love&#8221; are the two mystic classics that I always return to.  I&#8217;ve been reading them every few years since 1983.   I find they contrast and compliment, support and qualify each other.  The one aspect I struggle with is the encouragement to work very hard at the attainment of union, while knowing that it is only attainable by grace.  The Protestant worker in me wants the hard work to be rewarded, but both authors make it clear that it&#8217;s all a matter of grace. Is there another Medieval author that has addressed this strange dichotomy more directly?  Is the awareness of grace more connected to Catholic tradition?  Would anyone care to grace me with there thoughts on grace?</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If G-d wants to hide in clouds and in parables, and play games, fine with me.  Japanese aesthetics, suiseki, wabi-sabi, yugen whatever.  I&#039;ve had it.  He knows where I am  if He wants to find me.  The quiet is nice, it&#039;s enough.  Go to work, do your job, enjoy your life, and don&#039;t forget to check out ustream.tv/channel/shiba-inu-puppy-cam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If G-d wants to hide in clouds and in parables, and play games, fine with me.  Japanese aesthetics, suiseki, wabi-sabi, yugen whatever.  I&#8217;ve had it.  He knows where I am  if He wants to find me.  The quiet is nice, it&#8217;s enough.  Go to work, do your job, enjoy your life, and don&#8217;t forget to check out ustream.tv/channel/shiba-inu-puppy-cam.</p>
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		<title>By: Monday ramblings &#171; Memoirs of a Vagabond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monday ramblings &#171; Memoirs of a Vagabond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] finished The Cloud of Unknowing today. Cloud is a work of medieval apophatic theology, or negative theology, meaning that you gain [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carl McColman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl McColman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that makes sense.</description>
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		<title>By: linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it sounds to me like blake is talking about &lt;i&gt;the dark night of the soul&lt;/i&gt; by john of the cross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it sounds to me like blake is talking about <i>the dark night of the soul</i> by john of the cross.</p>
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		<title>By: Zero-Equals-Infinity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zero-Equals-Infinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entering or leaving, moving or still, the mind in silence reflects ineffability.  To remain in a detached, receptive and longing state, to be drawn without effort but simply by an abiding presence without form, this is the way home.  We come through many paths and frames, to meet in a common space, a space of forgetting and unknowing, where the rational mind, dumbfounded and overwhelmed retires into emptiness.  Oh to be here at any time, to enter into the gate that is my Beloved, and to not turn away either out of fear or distraction, but to remain transfixed upon Beloved only.  To return, again and again and again, and always leaving via longing&#039;s perfecting draw, all garments at the gateway.   Naked into my Beloved&#039;s presence, empty of all my various guises and veils, there is nothing of that self who stood at the threshold for so long.  In such dyings, the holy One reveals, pulses, breathes and exposes the hidden grain of Divinity that is subtly woven into the fabric of each and every being and form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entering or leaving, moving or still, the mind in silence reflects ineffability.  To remain in a detached, receptive and longing state, to be drawn without effort but simply by an abiding presence without form, this is the way home.  We come through many paths and frames, to meet in a common space, a space of forgetting and unknowing, where the rational mind, dumbfounded and overwhelmed retires into emptiness.  Oh to be here at any time, to enter into the gate that is my Beloved, and to not turn away either out of fear or distraction, but to remain transfixed upon Beloved only.  To return, again and again and again, and always leaving via longing&#8217;s perfecting draw, all garments at the gateway.   Naked into my Beloved&#8217;s presence, empty of all my various guises and veils, there is nothing of that self who stood at the threshold for so long.  In such dyings, the holy One reveals, pulses, breathes and exposes the hidden grain of Divinity that is subtly woven into the fabric of each and every being and form.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl McColman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl McColman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Blake, begin by reading this page — the book I&#039;m discussing, &lt;i&gt;The Cloud of Unknowing&lt;/i&gt;, is precisely the book you&#039;re looking for. Of course, the Christian tradition suggests that entering the cloud of unknowing is not the last step, but rather the first step, on the journey toward receiving the glorious gift of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Blake, begin by reading this page — the book I&#8217;m discussing, <i>The Cloud of Unknowing</i>, is precisely the book you&#8217;re looking for. Of course, the Christian tradition suggests that entering the cloud of unknowing is not the last step, but rather the first step, on the journey toward receiving the glorious gift of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering if you know of the cloud of unknown or uncertainty as it relates to the revalation of God to mystics?  I was told it was the last step before the mystic has his encountered with God.  That it is complete darkness and utterbly terrifying, and that mystics from every religon have said something like this write before there encounter.  I was also told there was a book written about it in medieval times. By a mystic of that time? If you know anything about this I would appreciate it helping me out.  My email is blakel2009@hotmail.com

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if you know of the cloud of unknown or uncertainty as it relates to the revalation of God to mystics?  I was told it was the last step before the mystic has his encountered with God.  That it is complete darkness and utterbly terrifying, and that mystics from every religon have said something like this write before there encounter.  I was also told there was a book written about it in medieval times. By a mystic of that time? If you know anything about this I would appreciate it helping me out.  My email is <a href="mailto:blakel2009@hotmail.com">blakel2009@hotmail.com</a></p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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